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General Discussion To Gateway To Airguns => China Gate => : Stephen Archer May 06, 2010, 11:12:08 PM
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As a number of folk have emailed me for more detail, here's the actual test string for the total Stoeger air rifle X50 test. The Archer Airguns "Gold Service" test is 10 shots, and I'll usually take a few more with springers to try to clear some dieseling if possible. In the case of this gun, I fired a total of 33 shots - as this was the first time I had ever shot one.
As you can see, there was effectively no dieseling with this X50. 1123 fps actually was the first shot fired by this rifle and it immediately settled-down to a fairly steady 1100 fps average. This is similar to my "long term test" X20 which dieseled a little more, but also for relatively few shots.
Shot Muzzle Velocity
1 1123
2 1107
3 1111
4 1095
5 1115
6 1118
7 1114
8 1118
9 1109
10 1109
11 1108
12 1101
13 1109
14 1097
15 1097
16 1107
17 1109
18 1092
19 1103
20 1099
21 1103
22 1094
23 1104
24 1102
25 1096
26 1110
27 1101
28 1091
29 1114
30 1099
31 1096
32 1096
33 1094
In my view this is pretty impressive performance for a "right out of the box" air rifle.
I'll publish details of my testing with the Stoeger X20 model as soon as I can. (So many guns, so little time...)
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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So what brand pellets were you using Steve and what weight?
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The shot strings looks impressive, how about the felt of recoil and grouping size if I may ask, Sir? Thanks.
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Willie, I think Steve was just giving us numbers on this post. Like he said, time is not always available running a busines like he has. I am kinda interested in the Stoegar X20. More my size of gun..:)
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OK, Gene. That shot strings are really impressive for me. If that gun can group tight (say about 3/8" typical at 35 - 40 yards) that would be awesome! Mr. Archer, you need an assistant to test the guns for you so you can concentrate more on the business side. Hehehe. Just kidding, Sir. :) BTW Gene, How are you? Hope you feel better now. Get well soon.
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I'm pretty sure he's using crosman premeir lites,does it hit hard at the end of the shot cycle?I would be afraid to use those on a magnum like that i prefer 10.5 grains,if you do more testing could you do a test on the little heavier weight.Thanx Dano.
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Oops! Sorry for omitting the obvious...
I tested using Crosman Premier Lites. 7.93 Grain. I found these to be the moist accurate pellets in the X20 I tested and the group was quite good in the X50 also. (Hey, 7:00AM - when I made the post - is early for me and I'm not a coffee drinker (water only during the day), so it takes me a few minutes to fire up to running speed :-)
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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Group size was as in the post below. The main limitation on accuracy is me. I put two pellets in the same hole a couple of times but opened-up with the shot count. I'm just not a very consistent springer shooter and 1100fps really tests my technique and finds it wanting.
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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I thought the felt recoil was not at all bad - certainly less than I was expecting. Although personally I'm happier with smaller, lighter rifles such as the Stoeger X20.
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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Blog: http://www.archerairguns.info
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I am with you on the X20 Steve. I think I will order one from you and check her out. Gotta see what makes them Stoegars tick...:)
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Them are some interesting numbers for sure I'm curious about the working's inside them also and will see what brother Gene has to show us. :) Ed
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Dano, I hear you about pellet weights and the Stoeger X50 air rifle.
But while I don't test using the lightest pellets, many of our customers are not highly-knowledgeable about air rifles and they want to see a "Gold Service" test that indicates the muzzle velocity of their particular air rifles matches the manufacturer's claims. Explaining that a lower muzzle velocity actually would be better is very complicated for many people to understand and takes much time and effort. So, I prefer to standardise on one pellet for our "Gold Service" customer tests and that's CPLs for Stoeger air rifles - these pellets are also readily available at retail and many customers like to use the same pellets as I used to test their gun.
But I will do some testing on the X50 with heavier pellets for members of this forum and post the results here when I have a chance.
I have tested a variety of pellets in the X20 model already and CPLs gave the best accuracy at a steady 900fps -ish. Details to come...
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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Blog: http://www.archerairguns.info
Video: http://youtube.com/archerairguns
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what is the trigger like?
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If the trigger on the X50 is the same as the X20 then the pull wt is around 6lbs. If that is the case then you can buy a GRT-III trigger and you can adjust it down to 1 lbs if you like. Here is a link for showin how making the GRT-III work,
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=28119&mid=221178#M221178 (http://thread-view.asp?tid=28119&mid=221178#M221178)
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stephen, being that they arent importing them in 22, could you get a 22 barrel from them?
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So far, results for X50 trigger testing have been in the 4lb and less range. That surprised me. The trigger feels very good.
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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Blog: http://www.archerairguns.info
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Tom,
Unfortunately there's no .22 barrels for the Stoeger models in the US (that I am aware of). Although I suspect an appropriate BAM barrel could be used, I've certainly not tried that conversion myself (yet).
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
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Blog: http://www.archerairguns.info
Video: http://youtube.com/archerairguns
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what bam model would it be?
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Tom, I think the trigger is pretty good. The X50s we've tested so far have given trigger pulls between 3lbs 13oz and 4lbs 0oz with the factory trigger. Release is quite smooth and consistent.
Stephen Archer
Archer Airguns Inc.
Store: http://www.archerairguns.com
Blog: http://www.archerairguns.info
Video: http://youtube.com/archerairguns