10 Meter ISSF Target Challenge

[TCups]

All:
I have been struggling to post scores I think I should be capable of shooting in the 10-meter matches.  Frankly, the Gamo style targets, and even to some extent, the "Steroid Match" targets, don't lend themselves to shooting with diopter target sights on a 10-meter rifle.  And the 5-meter pistol "square targets" make it very hard for me to get a consistent sight picture when I shoot open sights with my pistol.  This, I am sure, is due mostly to my aging eyesight.  And targets printed on standard paper don't leave clean holes, tearing and making it difficult to score cleanly.  So . . .

After shooting a couple of mediocre scores tonight (133 on the 5-meter pistol, 183 on the 10-meter open rifle), I reverted to the targets that suit me best, the Edelmann ISSF 10-meter pistol and rifle targets with 60 mm and 30 mm bulls respectively.  At 10 meters, each gives a good sight picture for either open pistol sights or diopter rifle sights.  Maybe it is just me, but I feel much more confident shooting at these targets.

I shot standing, off-hand at 10 meters, using Vogel Green pellets with the IZH-46M / .177 SSP pistol, 2-hand grip, and standing, off-hand at 10-meters using Vogel Green pellets with the Walther LGR-U / .177 SSP rifle, 10 shots each, scoring 83 on the pistol target and 74 on the rifle target.  I welcome and encourage anyone else who wants to post scores on the same targets, 10 shots pistol, 10 shots rifle.  Have fun and be safe.

PS:  In match scoring, does shooting out the center dot in the rifle or pistol target score 11?

TEC

[ac12basis]

There is no 11 ring.
I know the NRA matches has/used to have an X-ring, but the X-ring was scored as a 10, not 11.  It was counted as an X count for tie breaking.  2 guys with same score, the guy with a higher X count won.
For ISSF matches, depending on how PERFECT the shot you can get a 10.9, but "I think" this is only in the Finals.  I have to read the rules to be certain.

And I personally agree with you.
I am set up for ISSF targets, so anything different potentially screws up my sight picture.  For those that don't shoot match guns here are the reasons:
- For AR, with diopter sight, if the bull is not significantly different in size I'm OK.  Because the "center the bull in the aperture design" can accommodate a small change in bull size w/o much effect.  However change the size a lot and the apperture size has to be changed to match.
- But for AP the 6-oclock and sub-6 holds are VERY dependent on the size of the bull.  This is because the aiming reference point is not the center of the bull, but the BOTTOM of the bull.  Change the radius of the bull 10mm smaller and my groups will be 10mm higher, 10mm larger and my groups will be 10mm lower.

[TCups]

OK Gary.  You gonna shoot some 10-meter targets with me?  And you are saying my rifle target scores 3X, correct?  Three of the shots cut the center dot.

. . . actually, as I look more closely, the center ring is the 9 ring and cutting the dot in the center must be the 10 score.  So I over scored the rifle target -- the 20 score is really only 18  because the center dot is still intact, right?

[Dave1899]

So where do we get this target?

[TCups]

Pilkington's carries them:

http://www.pilkguns.com/masprlist.htm

$48 per 1000 of the 5 Bull 10-meter rifle targets, $40 per 1000 of the single bull 10-meter rifle targets, and $22 per 250 of the 10-meter single bull pistol targets.  Buying in bulk, they are actually cheaper than the Gamo targets at about $5 per 100 single bull targets.  And if you actually look at the cost of printing your own targets, probably cheaper than ink jet printed targets.    The 5-bull 10-meter rifle targets are 14 x 14 cm, same as the Gamo targets, and fit the same pellet traps.

you could try googling "edelmann targets" -- I have seen them on eBay from time to time.  Champchoice.com carries them too.

tec

[ac12basis]

Man I really hate when I loose my post before I submit it   :-(

TC
No, on the 10m targets, there is no X-ring concept.  The dot on the AR target is the 10-ring.  I don't know why the center circle inside the 10-ring on the AP target.  Maybe to help score the 10.0 to 10.9 in the finals...just a wild guess.

w/o a CLEAR view of your AR target, w my middle-age eyes I score it as 18+19+16+14+17=84/100

I've been busy in classes the past 3 weekends and studying for a certification exam, to help with a new job.  Job and income come first.  Soon as that is done, I'll be back shooting with you.  Maybe I can sneak in some relaxation shooting in between studying.


Dave
The ISSF and NRA 10 meter targets are essentially the same.
A LOT of places carry the NRA targets including:  Pyramid Air, Straight Shooters, Midway, its in the Beeman catalog, etc.
Warning, the National Target Company targets are not as good as the Edelmann targets, they don't cut as clean a hole.  This is why many people prefer the Edelmann targets.  I just use a piece of cardboard behind the target, which helps it cut a cleaner hole than w/o a backer.

You can also make your own targets.  All you need are 2 things
#1 the target making program
http://home.hiwaay.net/~ispellan/Airguns.html
#2 the ring diameters for the targets
http://www.issf-shooting.org/default.aspx?mod=ifpg&pane=10&inst=6&pmip=rules_rulebook_2009&pmlinkid=100
sec 6.3.2.3 for AR
sec 6.3.2.6 for AP

[Truman]

Nice links Gary, Cheers

[ac12basis]

Truman
The nice thing about the Pellant program is, if you don't have 10 meters to shoot in, you can make a reduced range target for any distance you have.  You just have to do the math for the reduction and calculate the appropriate ring diameters.  You can also make any other target you want to.  I've made training targets that only have 2 rings; 1st ring is the black bull of say the 10m AR target, 2nd ring is the #1-ring.  This is to practice hitting the black.  Kind of like the steroid target in a way, because you either get the black or you don't, and removes the scoring from the practice.