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Offline JQR

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Open Pistol Week 2
« on: March 22, 2009, 01:55:31 PM »
GO SHOOT SOMETHING....(made of paper and mounted on a safe backstop...)

Target links, all the same just different color centers.

Grey   http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r314/JQR25/targets/sqaures.jpg
Red    http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r314/JQR25/targets/sqaures2.jpg
Black  http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r314/JQR25/targets/sqaures3.jpg

This weeks match will run through midnight Sunday 3/29/2009.

I'll try to get the sticky at the top of the forum edited to include the target links and take out last weeks dates.

Always open to suggestions for improvement.
Sounds like a few folks want larger bulls. I think we'll get 'better' using smaller centers. "Aim small - miss small' but... majority rules.

Offline CaptGeorge

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RE: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 03:53:05 AM »
I'm with you, Jeff.  Smaller targets are better for improving your technique.

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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 04:50:15 AM »
I like the small bulls.....like you said....Aim Small...Hit Small.    With my Crosman 1377 stock trigger at 18lbs or so.... heh heh,  I probably won't hit anything off-hand....but with a 2-hand grip I might get a 45% hit ratio.
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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2009, 02:59:56 AM »
Hey Bill,
Can we post more than one score each week?
George

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Re: Look out - New Pistol
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 03:21:41 AM »
Hey Guys,

Just had to post this somewhere.  As the grandson (8) and I were strolling thru Academy yesterday, a "wounded" (open package, one scratch where dropped) Crosman 1377 pistol caught my eye. After a discussion with the floor manager on price, the pistol found its way to my house.

:0)  

After a quick sight-in this morning, I shot my first pistol target in misting rain.  I can probably do better once I get a feel for the trigger, etc.


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RE: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 04:12:00 AM »
I think the contention that a smaller target improves your aim and technique is open to debate.  It certainly doesn't improve mine, but that may be due to my eyesight.  I find that you  have to be able to see the target well to aim well, and with open sights, that it is much easier to consistently center up on a 60 mm bull than a 10 mm bull.  Square targets also make the scoring somewhat arbitrary, as the corner of the square can score 10 on a shot that would otherwise be a 9 at the same distance from the center of the bull.  My preference would be for a standard ISSF 10 meter pistol target with a nice, big black bull.

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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 06:30:12 AM »
Tommy may be right here. And, I may have to reconsider my position on small targets for pistol shooting. After shooting my new 1377, I found I had real difficulty getting a good sight picture with fixed sights on the small square targets.  These old eyes need more contrast for a good sight picture.

To keep it simple, why not just shoot the Gamo5 target. Scoring five shots per target is sometimes difficult on computer printed targets. So I suggest:  Bottom target for practice, three shots each in upper two, and two shots each in lower two for max of 100 points. Any other ideas?

Offline JQR

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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2009, 01:37:56 PM »
I don't care what target we use, I just want to shoot a weekly pistol target.
I'm good with the Gamo5 but I've been shooting it for many months (I made it with a little help from a gamo target). I'm a 98 -100 shooter on that target at 5m.

I've been working on another that you may like. it's a 10m air pistol target, reduced 50% and I squeezed 10 on a page. I haven't really prettied it up (I lost a few edges) but tell me what you think. (note that the 50% reduction was done before print formating so it probably is actually more like 47-48% of an official target).
This may provide the sight picture while maintaining a smaller bull.

I can make target posted above (by TCups I think) too, or something very close, if folks prefer that route.



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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 02:08:08 PM »
CaptGeorge, those 1377 pistol's triggers are heavy eh?  I've a hard time getting good accuracy due to that.....I tend to shoot left....  Too bad CharlieDaTuna don't make the sears for them anymore.....I would change it in a heartbeat......

Which target are we using this week?  I think I'll use the one we used last week....the square one that CaptGeorge also used since I've a few photocopied.....
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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 02:10:07 PM »
Jeff,  I like that 50% reduction target.  I like the idea of only shooting one or two shots per bullseye, to aid in scoring.  Maybe still two shots per bull, like we have been doing with the other target?  
Anyone else like to try this one?
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Offline JQR

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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 02:11:26 PM »
Yeah, lets use the squares this week. I know most folks want a consistent target so I would like input before we change. If we change.




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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 02:15:51 PM »
I like it too. Lets stick with squares this week though. I'd like more input and we'll need to decide if we are doing 1 or 2 shots per.
 I'll try to center the targets in the mean time.

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137, Crosman 2300, Scoped-3x, Beeman Wad (Not H&N Match), 5m, 2 hand
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 02:30:38 PM »
As I mentioned in the open rifle and steroid matches, I shot yesterday during an unexpected free afternoon and had a BANNER afternoon. All in all, I shot above my ability but I struggled a bit with my pistol. I blame the celebratory beer (or two) after the Open Rifle shoot and I place an equal amount of blame on the celebratory beer after the Steroid shoot. But beer or not... my pistol and I are going through a difficult time. I'm going to buy it some nice cleaning patches and sweet talk it this week.

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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 05:38:30 PM »
I'm with TCups on the standard 10m ISSF/NRA AP target at 10 meters.  
The primary reason for me is, if I am shooting my match pistol, I want to have as consistent a sight picture as possible to the regulation target.  
-  In fact, if I shot the Gamo target, I would make my own targets, with the black bull matching the regulation ISSF/NRA AP target.
For those that do not have a clear 10 meters to shoot in, a reduced range target would be appropriate.
- At 5 meters, I would recommend a 50% scale reduced target, to keep the sight picture the same.
- However, I would recommend 6 meters as the minimum reduced range.
- One issue with a reduced range target is the pellet.  As you scale the target down, the hole the pellet punches is still the same size.  While this OK for casual shooting, to do it right, the rings have to adjusted for the pellet diameter being the same size regardless of range.  It is a little complicated, but quite doable once you have the formula.

The problem with "aim small...hit small" is, you can't hit what you can't see.
Using open sight, my middle age eyes can't see the small bulls that you younger guys can see, or are you guys using a scope on your pistol?

One problem with multi-target targets (like 10 bulls per target) is that the sight picture will get confusing with too many targets if they are close together.
This is especially so if you use a sub-6 hold, as the front sight is a distance below the bull, and that white space becomes important.
And in my case, I have to cut the target up, as I do not have the vertical height to shoot a target (paper) much taller than about 8".

For home printed targets, put a piece of cardboard behind the target.  The cardboard will function like a cutting board, letting the pellet punch a cleaner hole in the paper.
2nd idea is to print on heavier paper.  I have found that 60 pound paper will cut decent holes.  Some people have used up to 110 pound paper.  
WARNING, before you use heavy paper, check the specs for your printer to see the max weight paper that it will work with, and how to set up the printer for the heavier paper.

As for number of shots per target, I feel that depends on how good you are.  If you find that you can't score all your shots, because of overlapping shots, then you need to shoot less shots per target.
If you shoot a shotgun pattern, then you can shoot all 10 shots on one target.  If you shoot TIGHT groups, then 5 or even less shots per target.

If you can't score because the target is ripping.  
- First make sure you are shooting wadcutter pellets.  
- Then look at the paper the target is printed.  Either put a backer behind the target or change target paper to a heavier paper.

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Re: Open Pistol Week 2
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2009, 05:52:06 PM »
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gamo2hammerli - 3/25/2009  9:08 PM

CaptGeorge, those 1377 pistol's triggers are heavy eh?  I've a hard time getting good accuracy due to that.....I tend to shoot left....  Too bad CharlieDaTuna don't make the sears for them anymore.....I would change it in a heartbeat......


Actually, Stan, my 1377 trigger is not too bad.  I've used worse.  Maybe a lighter return spring would help, and a little polishing. Anyway, I don't expect it to have a match quality triggerl.  I just wanted something better than my Daisy 15XT. LOL