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Offline Gamo X-Ring Shooter

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Spirit Level on Scope
« on: April 14, 2007, 03:02:50 PM »
Hi everyone once again I have another question.  Does anyone here have any experience with spirit levels?  I just made my own spirit level that mounts on top of my scope where I can see it kind of at the same time I am sighting.  Anyway it occurred to me that just clamping it on up there wouldn't tell me if my gun was level.  It would just tell if the level was level right?  So how do I go about figuring out if my gun is level and getting my homemade spirit level to correspond?  Maybe I am just over thinking the whole deal.  I ended up just placing a level on the barrel and moving the gun about until it was level.  Then I moved my spirit level about to make it correspond.  Do you think this is the right way to do it?

Brian

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RE: Spirit Level on Scope
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2007, 03:26:30 PM »
Set up a plumb line and with your vertical cross hair aligned with the plumb line, set the spirit level.  Of course, this assumes your scope is mounted level to start with :-)!  This will be a lot easier if you have some kind of gun vise to lock the rifle down with.  HTH.

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RE: Spirit Level on Scope
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2007, 09:32:55 PM »
I agree with Dave, also hang your plumb bob off a white thin cord and set it up in front of a black background. This way you can see your crosshairs better as they line up with the white cord, that's what I did and it worked great for me.  Ed
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Re: Spirit Level on Scope
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2007, 02:04:06 AM »
What air rifle are we talking about? ..:) I would think that one would want to take into concideration the normal droop in the barrels..:) As far as my Shadows go, none have any droop built into them.. But my RWS 34 has droop built into the barrel.. Would it be advisible to level action first and then check amount of droop in barrel as well? ..:)  

Just a thought and maybe I am all wet on this.. hehe

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RE: Spirit Level on Scope
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2007, 06:09:25 AM »
Thanks for the advice, but how do I make sure my scope is mounted level?  I don't have much experience with scopes. :0  I am use to using aperture sights.  The plumb bob line thing, is that how I make sure its mounted level?

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Re: Spirit Level on Scope
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2007, 06:12:04 AM »
We are talking about a Fixed CFX .177.  What is barrel droop?  I have never heard of it and why would you have it built in.  It sounds to me like something you wouldn't want.  Also how would I check the droop of the barrel?

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Re: Spirit Level on Scope
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 07:04:53 AM »
Hey Brian, I'm certainly no expert but I think barrel droop is a flaw in the barrel that comes from the factory. And no, it is not a good thing at all.  I am sure the experts here will chime in on this barrel droop thing. I bought a Wally World Crosman Sierra Pro recently that shot way too low. I had to shim the rear single piece scope mount with 35mm film strips just to get pellets on paper :0 And the scope's elevation adjustment was maxed out to boot.

I took the scope off figuring that IT was the problem. Mounted the scope on a S1K and it shot fine. Problem with the CSP= barrel droop. You can actually see the barrel is not alligned straight to the breech (actually looks bent). So thats my take on barrel droop. I could be wrong but I'm sure the other guys here will give their 2 cents 8)

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Re: Spirit Level on Scope
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2007, 09:54:10 AM »
Actually, barrel droop IS something done intentionally by some manufacturers.  It's a left over from the days before scopes became so common, and had something to do with the geometry of open sights and low powered guns.  No one knows why some companys (Diana aka RWS comes to mind) still insist on doing it.  In Greg's case, it wasn't droop, but a manufacturing flaw.  Same effect, different thing.  And in your case, it's probably a non-issue.

That said, I had a CFX with droop, but an adjustable mount or shims solved the problem.  The way to tell if it's an issue is to make sure your scope is optically centered.  Another new term?  It simply means that your windage and elevation adjustments are centered, so your scope has it's full adjustment range available.  I beleive there are a couple of good articles on optically centering scopes in the Library.  And despite popular opinion to the contrary, counting clicks both ways is NOT the proper way to do it!  Once the scope is centered, mount it and shoot at a target about 10 FEET away.  Check point of impact against point of aim.  POI should be about the same distance below POA as your barrel centerline is below your scope center line.  Remember, small differences matter here.  One MOA at 10 feet is only .03 inches.  A typical scope has 1/4 MOA clicks.  At 100 yards, that's approx. 4 clicks to move 1 inch.  At 10 feet, that same inch will take over 130 clicks!  If you have more questions on this subject and can't find the info, feel free to email me direct.

To get back to your original question, droop won't have an impact on leveling your scope to your rifle.  I think most guys are like me, we just eyeball it.  For the shooting most of us do, and the ranges we do it at, this is probably good enough.  If you want or need more precision, there are tools that will help.  Just check the various suppliers for scope mounting accesories.  And if you have more questions, just post them :-)!

Dave