Pyramyd air ??

[chortdraw]

Does anyone know why they show the Crosman NPSS as discontinued? Was it because of parts problem?

[rocker1]

it will be under the name of remington npss have no idea why they done that.

[airiscool]

As rocker1 mentioned it's a name switch.

Heard something about the change was to help sales of  Crosman's Remington line of guns ? Must make sense to someone, cause it sure doesn't to me.

Anyway, a couple of  months ago Crosman changed the name from "Crosman NPSS" to "Remington NPSS" - same gun and still made in USA.

Paul.

[chortdraw]

So the only difference will be Rem in name. Hoped they were not going to stop them completely. Paul, do you know what seals they have available for this gun. I may want to repair mine sometime and would like to have a good replacement on hand. I really like shooting the 22 cal. For most of the shooting I do I would prefer all 22 cal. rifles in my collection. Gave the Whisper with the carving to my son. Have a MM tuned B26 that is not even broke in that I may trade for another 22 of some sort. Sure is easier for this old fart to pickup and load the 22 pellets over the 177's.

[airiscool]

Dale,

I don't know which seal fits the NPSS, but Gene will since he's replaced/ modified his, I assume he'll know which seal will fit without modification.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=26361&posts=14&highlight=Under the hood&highlightmode=1#M210320

I'm sure a PM to him will get you the answer.

I hear ya! I haven't put a pellet in my Pumpmaster or Powermaster in many years. Can't see which way those darned little things go in first . At least with BB's, I know which end goes in first !!!!:D

Paul.

[Gene_SC]

I do not know if Crosman sells the seals for the NPSS or not but I machined down the nipple on the piston and fitted a nice JM Apex seal. The poly seals are so much more superior than the stock nylon seals

[chortdraw]

Thanks Paul and Gene.  I will check with Crosman first as I have no lathe to turn down the nipple on the piston. Just may need a backup.

[airiscool]

It's too bad J. Maccari doesn't make a seal to fit the Rem NPSS without modification, they are better seals.  Hopefully, he will soon.

Paul.

[chortdraw]

Well I called Crosman and said they will not sell me a seal. If someone else doesn't make seals for this gun in the near future I think there will be a lot of these for sale. My buddy wants to get one of these and when I told him about not being able to buy seals and other parts he changed his mind. Too bad cause I really like this gun but my search for another 22 air rifle will now continue. I guess it's back to foreign air guns.

[Gene_SC]

Once the demand is in place for these NPSS seals JM will probably make them, but right now there is not enough demand. Since Crosman released the Trail models the NPSS may go to the wayside. It is to bad though because I feel that the NPSS has a much better design on the power plant than the Trail NP does. But looking at it from Crosman's view it cost them less to have the Trail's made in China than the NPSS's in the US.

[chortdraw]

That is too bad that they have to go to China but it seems all things we buy today are made in China.
   Thanks for the information Gene. These old hands do like the thumb hole style grip and the lighter weight gun for hunting. So goes the search for 22 cal that will fit my needs. The nit. piston is a great choice for having the gun cocked for longer periods of time to use while hunting squirrels.

[airiscool]

Gene,

It's a shame to see anyone turned off to the gun just because they can't get a replacement  seal, except go through the trouble of sending the gun back to Crosman.

Do any of the other Maccari seals fit an un-modified NPSS piston that are close to the original seal OD ?   If not, for anyone thinking about replacing the seal in an NPSS, it's a simple job for any machine shop to turn the piston dovetail button down to fit a smaller ID seal.  Maybe someone will start a service of just re-sizing the piston dovetail button on NPSS's so the Maccari 'whatever' seal can be used in the meantime ??

Paul.

[chortdraw]

Paul, I hope you are right about someone having a service to make a better seal fit the piston button. This would be good to be able to put a Apex or other seal on the piston. But then again ...would it be cost effective for them to do this? Do you suppose the gov. would subsidize them?  :emoticon:

[airiscool]

chortdraw - 5/17/2010  1:04 PM

That is too bad that they have to go to China but it seems all things we buy today are made in China.
   Thanks for the information Gene. These old hands do like the thumb hole style grip and the lighter weight gun for hunting. So goes the search for 22 cal that will fit my needs. The nit. piston is a great choice for having the gun cocked for longer periods of time to use while hunting squirrels.

Yes, it is too bad, but ...
Alot is changing rapidly over there, so don't get too used to the old preception that "Chinese made" is always junk. Remember, there was just as much complaining about junk that was "Made in Japan" back in the 1960's, and "Made in South Korea" in the1970's and that changed !!!!

While some Chinese factories are still turning out poor quality, there are alot of new-breed factories turning out surprisingly high quality stuff these days. Quite a few of the top machinery/equipment companies worldwide have been sending some, or all of their production to the better factories in China. Some I know are old, highly respected companies that I seriously doubt would be willing  risk their reputation by having their products turned to junk just to save a buck.

My Chinese made Benjamin Trail is as good, if not better made than my a little over a year old Gamo.  

At least the Chinese are smart enough to know that they should make guns that you can put a "Tuna " trigger in !      

Paul

[Zzyzx]

It is getting more difficult to keep from buying things made by the Red Chinese every day. Some things we don't buy because there is not an alternative. Just won't give them our money. The things we have purchased and later found out were made there in part... well, we have them but won't buy again.

No way do I willingly or knowingly give my money to a country that has current threats to use nuclear weapons against us. I won't help pay to arm them.

Plenty of alternatives for many things in the US, Europe and our allies before arming the enemy.